tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6547653347296107692.post5962547111610197466..comments2024-01-09T12:59:32.666+01:00Comments on Narrative and Ontology: Tradition-history: a two-way movementPhil Sumpterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16491514886782881340noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6547653347296107692.post-3792211224428819592009-03-14T16:14:00.000+01:002009-03-14T16:14:00.000+01:00Thanks Bob.In other words, our use of the idea of ...Thanks Bob.<BR/><BR/><EM>In other words, our use of the idea of canon needs much more nuance than is common.<BR/></EM><BR/>This is, of course, true!Phil Sumpterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16491514886782881340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6547653347296107692.post-2923164162070344282009-03-13T17:18:00.000+01:002009-03-13T17:18:00.000+01:00Hi Phil: you quote this: The book of Joel shows a ...Hi Phil: you quote this: The book of Joel shows a present generation enacting the repentance (2:12-29 … ) called for in the days of Hosea (… Hosea 14.1 …). In so doing, one is drawn back into the world of Hosea to learn again what the character of God is truly like.<BR/><BR/>I see Hebrews being written - with no thought of its being canonical - as a rereading of Psalm 95 to prove that the entry into the promised land was not the entry into the rest of God. So here the preacher is redefining God's 7th day rest by using a later scripture to define an earlier one. And in so doing is reframing both the psalms and the Torah. This kind of hermeneutic should warn us away from certain forms of reading and encourage us to know the God to whom Hebrews is now pointing us.<BR/><BR/>In other words, our use of the idea of canon needs much more nuance than is common.<BR/><BR/>Anyway - that's what your note suggested to me - but of course you may be in a different world than I am. In any case I will look forward to Bauckham's contribution - and I always enjoy what you write - thanks.Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6547653347296107692.post-79604831309287749482009-03-13T09:10:00.000+01:002009-03-13T09:10:00.000+01:00Hi Bob,not really ... This is a hermeneutic for po...Hi Bob,<BR/><BR/>not really ... This is a hermeneutic for post-Biblical scholars, whereas the author of Hebrews is already <EM>within</EM> the Bible. His activity of reading the Old Testament Christologically is a function of his status of "apostle," and his goal is to witness to the resurrected Lord by means of the OT text. We ain't apostles, so we can be expected to mimic his approach to the Bible - not exactly at least. Whereas he went from the apostolic tradition to the OT and back again, we go from a complete NT to the OT and back again, within the framework of whatever we consider to be authoritative tradition (the creed). Hebrews is a primary witness to the "divine" reality, we are secondary witnesses, to use Barth's term.<BR/><BR/>In terms of the post, "reading a tradition in light of its later developement" means reading Ps 95 and Hebrew's interpretation of it together (though not flatly, i.e. reducing Ps 95 to Hebrew's interpretation, rather: dialectically). Hebrew's is itself the later tradition. Though of course we also belong to church tradition, Hebrew's is "canonical," i.e marked off and authoritative and a standard of truth to which we submit, rather then a template for our own interpretation. <BR/><BR/>Again: "that which ... was only partially comprehended" applies to <EM>both</EM> Ps 95 <EM>and</EM> Hebrews. For us, as secondary witnesses, it is the reality witnessed to by the interplay of these two primary witnesses that is of interest.<BR/><BR/>I have the uncomfortable feeling that this doesn't answer your question clearly enough ... Does it help?Phil Sumpterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16491514886782881340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6547653347296107692.post-42139078392520357792009-03-13T00:00:00.000+01:002009-03-13T00:00:00.000+01:00If I am understanding you, an example of this is i...If I am understanding you, an example of this is in the way Hebrews uses Psalm 95.Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.com